In 2018, I invited Rachel Garfield and David Brauner to be part of a panel at the Modern 5 Language Association Annual Conference – to be held in the early part of 2019 in Chicago. The panel was entitled: ‘Blackness in Convergence/Tension with Jewishness in Contemporary Art and Literature.’ I had been very interested in Rachel Garfield’s work for some time (and would like to thank Nadia Valman for encouraging me to explore Rachel’s work for a project on Jewishness and Blackness). After the panel, we spent some 10 time discussing the trajectories of her fascinating projects at the Swiss Hotel. This is a revised version of the transcript of this interview